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The objective of this blog is to resolve the BRAHMOTSAVAM issue at chidambaram in an amicable manner without hurting people and ensuring that irrespective of the outcome we hindus stay united.The crux of the issue lies in the fact that vested interests are trying to split vaishnavaas and shaivas (or iyers and iyengars) by whipping up a passion by recalling history and portaying the vaishnavas as being victims of mass harrasment for which they are now called upon to seek revenge .
As true devotees who are seeking the divine feet of the lord we have a responsibility to ensure that the hindu community stays united at all times of crisis.We should not allow the mlechchaas who rule the state of Tamilnadu to drive awedge between hindus through attempts which range from films (read dasavatharam) ,news reports ,protests and misinformation campaign.They may ultimately have the last laugh and cristians may jump in to do mass conversions while muslims will as usual destroy our temples .All these can be prevented if we stay united .There must never be even a single issue of dicontent bettween iyers and iyengars.Unbiased information on the temple is available at the below links
http://www.divyadesamonline.com/hindu/temples/chidambaram/chitrakoodam-temple.asp http://www.srivari.com/chozhatirupathigal/thirucchitrakudam.htm
http://www.templenet.com/Tamilnadu/df040.html
http://www.trsiyengar.com/id187.shtml
http://www.templenet.com/Tamilnadu/df040.html
http://www.trsiyengar.com/id187.shtml
THE ISSUE: The Nataraja temple in chidambaram also houses lord Govindaraja perumal which is one among the 108 divyadesams called Thiruchitrakoodam.The controversy started now as vaishnavaas feel that a brahmotsavam need to be conducted for the lord but the dikshitars who are the priests in the temple for more than hundreds of years (since specifically a male progeny is obtained in these families to do service to nataraja) are objecting to this.Hence the present controversy.
HOW PASSIONS ARE WHIPPED UP: The film dasaavatharam couldnt have been released at a more opportune time.It features in an exaggerated manner the chola king Kuloththunga dumping the shayana idol of vishnu featured above into the sea along with kamal hassan.The film thus takes a dig at shiva devotees and portrays vaishnavas as being victims in the hands of a fanatic.In a way it subtly attempts to sow the seeds of dissertion between vaishnavas and shaivas and even more subtly hints at the collective conscience of vaishnavas to take revenge for the acts of the past.Passions are also whipped up through news rreports tv coverage their online version and even blogs and orkut communities calling all to vote in a poll to present a petition to chief minister to conduct brahmotsavam. Refer below links
THE HISTORY, THE BRAHMOTSAVAMS, THE DIKSHIDARS AND THE MLECHCHAAS:
History records that the king Kulloththunga chola was indeed a true yet fanatic devotee of Shiva and had constucted many of the temples and gopurams for shiva. HE might have harrased vaishnavites as they might have opposed his policies.But we have never seen all those and recorded history has lots of distortions .There are even theories that Ramanujar came along with his followers and forcibly tried to remove shiva idols from various temples to install vishnu idols. There is a theory that he was also beaten by Kuloththunga when he attempted to save govindaraja idol from being thrown into the sea.But these are all without any reliable bases and are intended to slight one community or other.We shall all do well to hear these as just stories and not get excessively influenced by them. These are events supposed to have taken place hundreds of year back and it is absolutely futile to take on ourself the responsibility of seeking to revenge the act of Kuloththunga by unnecessarily harrasing the Diksidars and showing them in poorlight in the media.What ever Kuloththunga did was indeed bad and was as a result of pure ignorance that shiva and vishnu are one and the same. Why should we be as ignorant as the king by seeking to revenge his acts and by being determined enough to violate the dishidar`s rules.
If we retain this tendency then what is the difference between terrorists ,kuloththunga and ourself all having a fanatic midset which needs to be abandoned immediately if we are to genuinely pursue the path to attain vaikuntam.
Brahmotsavam is a utsavam attended by brahma and all the celestials and has to be conducted as per aagama shastras once a year .Hence attending it is said to be highly beneficial to devotees. The good intentions of those willing to organise is commended but it should not be at the cost of unity of hindus.
The Dikshidars of the temple are from families which the lord himself chose hundreds of years ago to perform daily rituals and poojas .A male progeny is specifically obtailed and dedicated to Nataraja .It is their duty to protect the temple and all the rituals conducted there.PLEASE NOTE THAT THE TEMPLE DOES NOT COME UBDER THE CARE OF HR&CE DEPARTMENT. And yet some time back the mlechchaas of the ruling party arresed them on the eve of shivrathri to allow a few aethists who never knew of shiva and an oduvaar (one who makes others run??) to chat (not chant) and rant and get media coverage in the chit sabaa of the temple. As the dikshtars are already a harrased lot and yet have a responsibility to protect age old aagamas it is in the interest of all hindus to listen to their advice at all times as they are the hand picked servants of Nataraja .
The mlechchaas of the ruling party in Tamilnadu constantly attempt to divide the hindus and hurt their feelings by breaking idols or garlanding idols with chappals .We should never ever give into their attempts to divide our community .There is strength only in unity.Their actions in the past have been serious enough even to have warranted vishnu to consider advancing his kali avtar by 100000 years.The mlechchaas could even take over the temple seeing the hindus fighting and may construct a slum inside it to garnar votes for upcoming elections.
AS TRUE DEVOTEES:
As true devotees we should abandon all desires to wreck vengence on the dikshidars or taking revenge for Kuloththunga`s actions and remain united and as peaceful as MAHAVISHNU himself. Mahavishnu `s glory and shaantam is best illustrated in the incident when he assuaged the angry Brighu`s feet asking him if it was paining. Brighu had kicked Vishnu at his vakshasthal where Lakshmi resided .As devotees of the peaceful lord we should abandon violent desires . People reading the links mentioned above are sure to develop hatred towards dikshidars and the iyer community. Is this the way true vaishnavites should behave by whipping up passions and declaring come what may we shall have brahmotsavam by hook and by crook. Maha vishnu is so powerful and glorious that he has even defeated shiva as told in the puranas. If he desired to have a brahmotsavam he could conduct it even before this blog is completed. HE resides every where and also in the hearts of his true devotees ~SRI MATH SUNDARA JAAMATHRU MUNI MAANASA VAASINE ,SARVALOKA NIVAASAAYA SRINIVAASAAYA MANGALAM. True devotees will silently worship him in their heart and every single prayer said by them will take them closer to the feet of vishnu .They dont take vishnu to the net and media to organise polls and petitions calling everyone to openly harrass the dikshidars (by insisting on a brahmotsavam
this is what is intended) and conduct brahmotsavams. It is purely for ego satisfaction that a select group of persons are indulging in the act of slighting a community based on history and vehemently desiring to conduct a brahmotsavam. Neither is Govindaraja swamy going to feel elated if it is conducted nor will he be dejected if it is not. To succed any desire should first have the approval of the lord himself who had come to see Shiva perform his cosmic dance. Instead we could all increase our contributions to thousands of other vishnu temples where brahmotsavams are conducted and we can divert our time ,money , efforts and energy in reconstucting many dilapidated vishnu temples .The forces which are hell bent to conduct brahmotsavams are unaware of the great ness of vishnu.HE is something more than petty brahmothsavams he is omnipresent omnipotent and is moved only by true acts of devotion not this kind of EGO- SATISFING OVERTURES. Such of these actions breeding hatred and violence towards dikshidars and iyer community will only take these people far far away from the lotus feet of vishnu and not even one step closer to it.
this is what is intended) and conduct brahmotsavams. It is purely for ego satisfaction that a select group of persons are indulging in the act of slighting a community based on history and vehemently desiring to conduct a brahmotsavam. Neither is Govindaraja swamy going to feel elated if it is conducted nor will he be dejected if it is not. To succed any desire should first have the approval of the lord himself who had come to see Shiva perform his cosmic dance. Instead we could all increase our contributions to thousands of other vishnu temples where brahmotsavams are conducted and we can divert our time ,money , efforts and energy in reconstucting many dilapidated vishnu temples .The forces which are hell bent to conduct brahmotsavams are unaware of the great ness of vishnu.HE is something more than petty brahmothsavams he is omnipresent omnipotent and is moved only by true acts of devotion not this kind of EGO- SATISFING OVERTURES. Such of these actions breeding hatred and violence towards dikshidars and iyer community will only take these people far far away from the lotus feet of vishnu and not even one step closer to it.
It is humbly requested through this article that the readers adopt a peaceful stand and abandon such practices which contradict with those of the dikshidars at chidambaram all the while ensuring peace to prevail in the world and wise judgement to prevail in the minds of all people.
SWASTHI PRAJABYA PARIPAALAYANTHAAM
NYAAYENA MAARGENA MAHIM MAHISAHM!
GO BRAHMANNEBYA SHUBAMASTU NITYAM
GO BRAHMANNEBYA SHUBAMASTU NITYAM
LOKA SAMASTHA SUKHINO BHAVANTHU!!
SRI KRISHNAARPANAM ASTHU
OM THATH SATH
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11 comments:
Yes I agree with this completely.
And I also wish to say that I had posted the links only for the proofs and not to create any divide.
And as you said Maha Vishnu resides everywhere.
As "KSIRODAKASAYI VISHNU" he resides in every atom and as "GARBHODAKASAYI VISHNU" he expands into every universe..
Venkatesa Sthotram itself says..
"SaChaturmuka Shanmuka Panchamuka
Pramukakila Dhaivata Moulimane
Charanagatha Vathsala Saranithe
Paripalaya Mam Vrishashilapathe"
The best place where we can construct a temple for Lord Vishnu,is our heart and the best Utsavam we can celebrate for him is not more than chanting his name..
WE could also consider constructing aseparate temple of govindaraja adjacent to nataraja temple so that the separate temple can have gopuram vimaanam etc according to paanchraatra aagamaas and the vaishnava devotees who come to see vishnu need not have to feel guilty of having entered a shiva temple which they current ly feel. A new temple can have sannadhis for dasavatharam ,thaayar ,andal, ramanujar ,chriya tiruvadi and periya thiruvadi ,santanagopalakrishnan, rama along with sita lakshmana and hanuman, danvanthri narasimha ,ranganathar ,sudarshana chakram, lakshmi varaham ,lakshmi hayagriva and pundarika pushkarini ..............................vow vow great great the very thought looks exhilerating yeah cool i want the temple ..............now ......now .........hey come lets all donate and build a grand brand new temple for GOVINDARAJA SWAMY NOW ITSELF
In my earlier comment...
"SaChaturmuka Shanmuka Panchamuka
Pramukakila Dhaivata Moulimane
Charanagatha Vathsala Saranithe
Paripalaya Mam Vrishashilapathe"
means...
"All the important Gods such as Brahma,Muruga,Shiva have come to you..
Bless every one with Thy grace for everyone surrenders in YOU..."
It is said like that to Lord Venkateshwara..
The quotings below it in bold italics is not a translation of that...
Hi Nisha,
It is definitely a good blog and a good topic to discuss.But I have some questions for you
Before jumping into questions let us first make our assumptions clear
There are two views
a)Vishunu and Shiva are one and the same
b)Vishnu and Shiva are deifferent
As the entire issues and blog is because the path taken is that they are different.Let me also assume the same thing.
Considering Narayana and Siva as different and the methoods which the priests are following are totally different ur attempt to make people come together is very good.But what i find is u r trying to bring together people who are shiva and vishnu devotees.In doing so u have mentioned christians will do mass conversion and muslims will destroy our temples and the atheist also add to them.When shiva devotees wants Vishnu devotees to follow the Shiva and viceeversa they are doing nothing but the conversion of christians.when they try to destroy the temples of other they are doing nuthin but the work of the Muslims(according to ur blog).when they say that "My God alone is Supreme" they don understand the greatness of God to be frank they dont even get near the concept of God so they can be termed as Athiests.
Therefore u r trying to bring people together showing some bad examples but tthe people u r trying to bring together are themselves Bad...they shud change...
Then taking Dasavatharam as a example Nambi can be considered as adamant as the King but he didnt harm anyone...That is the true indication of bhaktha.
There were 12 azhwars and 64 nayanamars(i might be wrong with numbers)If one azhwar goes and tries to change a nayanamar and vice verse it is wrong because as u mentioned in ur blog it is the command of Lord that they shud sing in praise of shiva.At the same time if the son of ramanuja is going and worshipping shiva ramanuja has got the right to tell him what according to him is right and wrong.
And in ur blog there was a mention of Ramanuja spreading vaishnavism...This is not something to be compared with the conversion of christians ofcouse u also mentioned that there are no proofs.Actually shankara,ramanuja,Madhwa they all know the complete reality....when they do a particular thing they understand fully what they do.Shankara was against buddhism that doesnt mean he was against bhuddist or bhuddha...all he wanted was vedic religion to be restored.buddha decried vedas because of its rituals part which even shankara decried.When shankara decried vedic rituals does it mean he was against vedas.Same way Ramanuja spreading of vaishnavism has got its own purpose.I wont say u shud not question that all i am telling is why waste time.
people don understand the greatness of Ramanuja as a teacher not only Ramanuja..Shankara,Madhwa,Buddha, Raghavendra,Desika,Vivivekananda,Kanchi Periyava,Azhwars,Nayanamars.It is because of their Grace that the Light of India is still Glowing.
Continue ur good work
Adiyen Ramanuja DAsan!!!
Nice article. Though there is a constant quarrel going on between Shaivas and Vaishnavas, the goodness lies in both continuing their own beliefs WITHOUT jumping in to conclusions of My God is Great and ONLY he is great etc. Showing excerpts from a slokhas or puranas (like a few comments here) is not going to help because NO ONE knows the truth.
I personally feel the comments of CR here will increase the divide among these two sects. Already there are a number of chaos. If there is a separate temple, gateway and other things happen, what assurance is there that there will be unity?
By the way, if a vaishnavite feels "Guilty" in entering a Shiva temple, he is uttering a great sin because both Shiva and Vishnu are the same embodiment of the One God, as per the scriptures. The same goes to a Shaivite if he feels guilty (what a nasty word) in entering a Vishnu temple.
The Indians need unity. We are already divided in to too many sects and sub sects by the divide-and-rule policy.
Like the Mahakavi Subrmanya Bharati said 'it is a great sin to differentiate between human by means of sects and caste'.
Neither Lord Shiva or Lord Vishnu will forgive those who try to differentiate among their devotees.
With due respect.
As a Vaishnava belonging to Sri Ramanuja's sampradaya, I feel that the Brahmotsavam for Govindaraja Perumal needs to be conducted.
Quite frankly, 'Hindus' label Vaishnavas as 'sectarian' and 'fanatic' without a proper reason. By all accounts, the Vedas categorically affirm that there IS a difference between Vishnu and Shiva. However, mordern day Hindus have failed to take note of what preceptors like Adi Sankara, Ramanuja and Madhva have written on the subject.
I request people to read this with an open mind. I am not a bigot or a fanatic, but I simply represent what the Veda itself has to say on the subject.
So, let me show you exactly why we say Vishnu is Supreme:
The Vedas praise many deities. Indra, Agni, Rudra, Vayu, Brahma, Vishnu, etc. At first glance, it appears to be polytheism. But if we examine the Upanishads, ie, Vedanta, we see statements which proclaim that Indra, Agni, Vayu, etc. possess ignorance (Kena Upanishad) or that they were created (Mahopanishad;Mahanarayana Upanishad).
So, while many hymns extoll these deities as supreme, there are indeed many slokas that ascribe defects like ignorance, quality of being created, etc. which imply that they are NOT Brahman.
So, does this mean the Vedas are contradictory? No, says Badarayana in his Vedanta Sutras. The purport of all Shruti is one, and hence, we need to show that.
For this purpose, we need to identify who Brahman is. Let us proceed in a systematic manner:
1) The crown jewel of the Vedas, its very cream and essence, is the Purusha Suktam. Hence, it would be advisable to start with this Sukta.
In the Purusha Suktam, we get the verse - Hreeschate Lakshmischa Patnyou...meaning, 'Hree and Lakshmi are your (Purusha's) wives. Valmiki Ramayana refers to Hree as Bhu Devi (Yuddha Khandam).
Thus, we get the first defining characteristic...that the Purusha has Lakshmi and Bhu Devi as his wives.
2) Next, we proceed to the NarayaNa Suktam. Why? That is because of what we call 'Chaaga Pasu Nyaya'. Every name such as Indra, Agni, Vayu, etc. are common nouns. Indra may refer to a deity but 'Indra' is also a common noun referring to someone who is radiant. Hence, Indra can refer to more than one person if we study the context.
Similarly, 'Rudra' can refer to Umapati, but also has a meaning 'He who destroys misery'. Hence, anyone who destroys misery can be called 'Rudra'.
Even 'Brahman' has 3 meanings - Prakrti, Jivatma and Paramatma. As 'Brahman' means that which grows big, it can denote prakrti (as matter can grow), Jivatma (Knowledge of the Self can grow) and Paramatma (as He is the biggest).
But 'NarayaNa' is a proper noun. The 'Na-kaara' makes it clear that NarayaNa is a term that can only be used to denote a person, and that person can only be parabrahman.
Hence, we take the NarayaNa Suktam due to the importance of the NarayaNa Shabda. The Suktam clearly states NarayaNa Param Brahma, Tattvam NarayaNa Param, NarayaNa Paro Jyotir, Atma NarayaNa Para.
Thus, NarayaNa is the highest Brahman, and He is the Purusha who has Lakshmi and Hree as His wives. Since 'NarayaNa' is a proper noun, it cannot be applied to a lesser deities.
NarayaNa is Vishnu. This is confirmed by 'NarayaNaya Vidmahe, Vasudevaya Dimahe, Tanno Vishnu Prachodayat'.
Mahanarayana Upanishad establishes that the 'Being on the Ocean' is Supreme, and Subala Upanishad states that NarayaNa is eternally sinless. Chandogya Upanishad categorically states that Brahman has two lotus-like eyes, a characteristic of Vishnu only.
Now, we know NarayaNa is Brahman, but what about other deities?
Answer - Rudra, Agni, Vayu, etc. are Jivatmas. They are just positions assumed by different souls based on karma, and they terminate after pralaya.
Pramanas - Shatapatha Brahmana tells the story of how Brahma obtained a Son through tapas. This son kept crying after he was born. Brahma asked him 'Why are you crying', the son replies 'I am not cleansed of sins (meaning, I still have karma), so give me some auspicious names by which I shall be able to remove my karma'.
Brahma gives the following names - Rudra, Ugra, Bhava, Sarva, Pasupati, Isana, Mahadeva. Hence, it is clear that the son of Brahma here is none other than Shiva, and that he is a jivatma because he had a normal birth due to karma.
That Rudra was created by NarayaNa is mentioned in many Upanishads:
- Mahopanishad states 'Eko Ha Vai NarayaNa aseet, Na Brahma, Na Isana,...' meaning, 'only NarayaNa was present before creation, not Brahma or Isana (Shiva).
- Mahanarayana Upanishad states that the three eyed person carrying the sula was born from NarayaNa's forehead.
- Rig Veda claims that Rudra obtained his powers by meditating on Vishnu.
- NarayaNopanishad states that Indra, Brahma, Shiva, Prajapatis, Adityas, Maruts, etc. are all born out of NarayaNa.
Conclusion - Rudra is a jivatma. He has karma (Shatapatha Brahmana) as opposed to NarayaNa who is devoid of karma (Subala Upanishad). Brahma, Siva, etc. are positions given to meritorious souls, who work on behalf of NarayaNa.
NarayaNa, out of His mercy, takes an avatar as Vishnu and resides among the Devas, just as Krishna resided among the residents of Gokula. Vishnu is not a mere deva, but an avatar of NarayaNa, who resides in Vaikunta (Om Tad Vishnoh Paramam Padam Sada Pashyanti Surayaha).
Now, how do we explain the numerous Shrutis that praise Brahma, Agni, Indra, etc. as Supreme?
Easy. The Brihadaranyaka Upanishad states:
'He who has Aditya as His Body, whom Aditya does not know, who inhabits Aditya and controls Aditya from within....'
Similarly, the Upanishad states the same for Prithvi, Fire, etc. And finally states,
'He who has the Self (atman) as His Body, whom the Self does not know, who inhabits the Self and controls the Self from within....'
Thus, the whole world, the jivatmas, etc. constitute the body of Brahman. The Upanishad states 'Anganyanya Devata:' meaning, 'all these Devas are your limbs'.
Just like when someone is called 'Jack', the name 'Jack' addresses both Jack's body and Jack's soul, all names like Aditya, Rudra, Agni, etc. belong to Brahman because He is their innermost Self. Hence, all names denote Brahman (Vishnu/NarayaNa) through the lesser deities only.
So, hymns like the Sri Rudram, Brhat Sama, etc. addressed to Rudra and Indra, while denoting the lesser deity as an agent, actually are aimed at the Brahman (Vishnu) who is the indweller of all these deities. When someone garlands a King, the King's body is decorated, but the whole happiness belongs to the King's Atman. Similarly, while the Devas act as agents of their hymns/sacrifices, only Vishnu is propitiated as He is their innermost Self.
The Rig Veda thus states 'Sat is one, all names belong to Him'.
Adi Sankara recognised this fact. In all his commentaries, He advocates only worship of Vishnu. In his Gita Bhashya, He openly condemns worship of Rudra, Vinayaka, etc. Sri Ramanuja and Madhva were also Vaishnavas.
Shaivas have always been a Hindu sect, but they have always been an unvedic sect. Brahma Sutras condemn the Pasupata religion (Kapalika, Kalamuka, Saiva, Aghora) as Unvedic based on philosophical and ritualistic grounds.
Mordern day Smartas are Shaivas, but this is a recent phenomenon. The original preceptor of Advaita, Adi Sankara was a Vaishnava himself.
Iyengars do not keep Shiva's names for themselves. Iyers do! Iyers visit Vishnu temples as ardently as Shiva temples, Iyengars of the past did not.
Now Nataraja temple is a temple that is a private property of Dikshathars, not even of Iyers per se. So what are we talking about.
The DMK fellows will create any dissentions but I think all true Hindus whether Iyers or Iyengars, whether Chettiars or Nadars, whether forward or scheduled castes need to protect their religion. It is stupid to fight about a particular temple and its practices.
I would challenge all those who want to change the Dikshatar way of life to change the way of life of Madhvars, Iyengars and of other religions. Get our DMK folks to change the practice in some parish or in some mosque. I bet the DMK fellows wont even dare go near them.
Anyway I personally have enjoyed Nataraja and Govindaraja and even the Anjaneyar inside the Govindaraja temple.
It is a shame that one of the rarest of rarest temples which houses Shiva and Vishnu in Unison right across one another where one can stand in a place and see Shiva and then turn his forehead to the left and see Vishnu is being abused by bigots, whether it is a Kamalahasan with a Film making hobby or by a set of bigots of DMK, it is a pity that a Brahmotsavam is becoming a controversy.
High time we respect the views of the Dikshatars and let them go with their business. Remember that if you fiddle with their business one day, such a thing will repeat someday in a Vishnu temple and certainly Babri masjids and Church breakups will happen someday because bigotry spreads.
Hope these idiotic DMK walas stop bothering about temples. They are making sufficient moola robbing the country and dont need to rob temples as well!
Iyengars do not go to Shiva temples because Shiva is not Brahman. Anya Devata worship has been discouraged by Sri Sankara, Sri Ramanuja and Sri Madhva.
The issue of 'be secular and worship all gods' does not apply to Vedanta, which goes by the way of logical thinking and analysis. Shiva is a Jivatma as per the Veda, and cannot grant moksha by himself. It has already been shown that Vishnu is Supreme.
The Devas are all Jivas, a race of beings. Vishnu is an avatara of Sriman Narayana and has resided among the devas as one among them. This is just like Krishna among the cowherds. Just because he assumed the form of a cowherd does not mean he is just that. Similarly, Vishnu is no mere Deva, but the Supreme Brahman Himself.
Brahma Sutras state that meditation on Devas is unsatisfactory and against Vedanta. The Shiva temples go by the Shaiva agamas, that are consecrated with the notion that Shiva is Supreme, and hence, Iyengars avoid going to such temples. Whereas, the Pancharatra Agamas have been approved by the SutrakArA, Veda VyAsA Himself, and hence, are suited for worship.
Iyers going to every temple simply does not make them better. Rather, full realisation of Vishnu's kalyana gunas is gained by exclusive devotion, devoid of misconceptions about other devatas.
Please read the numerous pramanas for these concepts before bringing up issues like 'Iyers worship all, Iyengars are narrow-minded'. Technically, even Iyers, who follow advaita, should be Vaishnavas considering that Sankaracharya condemned worship of Rudra in his prasthna traya bhashyas.
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